Academy of Model Aeronautics

Frank,
There is no humor there, I was just trying to show that you should get more credit for more work done. Now building an engine might actually be worth more like an additional 50% or more, but mine were just numbers to start the discussion with.

I think that asking the guy should be enough to determine what they qualify for. Additionally, it should be fairly obvious from the various posts and our small community. I guess a point that I did not add was that there would be a 0% bonus for using someone elses airplane regardless if you install your own engine or not. Maybe we could give 5% for putting in your engine and 5% for putting in your tank. So for a perfect airplane that modeler would receive a whole 2 points for flying......

John

We could try a system like that at our leg of the Tour when it comes to Flint. It wouls be easier though just to ban the ARFs.

O.K. 53 people called to gripe at me about my comment about banning ARFs.
I take it back. Bring your ARFs. And just so's you know we're behind you just as much as the 9 year old Chinese girl that built your model we'll start you off with a bunch of points. AND......grin and pat you on your back and tell you what a grand contribution you've made to modeling in general and how downright happy we are that you're here.

Frank,
I made it back so now I can comment on this again. I thought that we already had a similar scale in place for the appearance portion of the TDM, but to be honest, I have not looked. We could use double points in the events where damage is likely to occur (balloon bust, combat, etc....) for those that bring their own airplanes.

Actually I am surprised that Dennis has not checked back in on this thread. I was sure that it might appeal to him...
John

We've pretty much summed it up John. It would have been fresher a few years ago. But back then I hadn't had occasion to listen to all the excuses and rationalizations not to build your own model. And I hadn't heard all of the whining about why ARF pilots should get appearance points.

Frank,
It is different/difficult to accept a sport flier's view from a competitor. Perhaps this is why this subject does not sit so well with many people. I guess the real reason that I don't have much issue with the ARF crowd (not to mention that I fly a few myself), is that you don't really see them in the higher levels of competition. Sure there a few of the Yatsenko models out there, but you need some serious cash to get one of those and they are sure worth the money. Besides, I think that those actually qualify more as OTPs. Those that want to stick with the hobby/sport still stick with the basic roots of build and fly. Certainly you see that at the Nats once you get out of the Intermediate and Beginner's ranks. And in those ranks there is still a good amount of own built models. See the stuff you want to see out there and try not to focus on the stuff you don't like so much and the world looks a little brighter. Man, I should work for Hallmark.....
John

It isn't the ARFs I don't like so much as the excuses guys give me for not building.
John when I can't build anymore, it'll be because my lungs are shot, or I got parkinsons or some such malady and what I'll do is I'll quit building and fly the planes I have till they're used up. After that I'll just come out to the circle and watch.

Frank,
I am with you on the building thing, but I try not to let the non-builders get to me. This is a hobby and we can take what parts of it we like and run with it. However, I will protest if someone else tries to tell me that ARFs are the only way to go. I like the building side, not so hot on the finishing side but it is a necessary evil, and I certainly like the flying side. Keep going with what you like and have fun with this stuff, the fun is what it is all about.

When you start coming out to watch (which I hope is in a very long time), bring some cocktail supplies with you. We can make it a social event.

John

It isn't all about the fun John. It's about doing something well that didn't need to be done at all. That's when there is soul.

Frank,
This is true and well said.
John

Thankyou John.

And.......................I happen to have an ARF Bi-Slob--so you can't say I'm ARFaphobic---In fact this is my third one. I have a ball flying it and if anyone ever asked I'd recommend they buy one-here is the link to the Bi-Slob in the online Brodak catalog. http://www.brodak.com/shop_productdetai ... uctID=2805

Wow Frank, that is actually extremely profound...I'm impressed. Gonna have to think on that one awhile. It gives a whole new slant on this modeling thing.

Thank you Ray-----

Friends,

I'd like to put my opinion, as enthusiast scale F4B: progress will always be ahead of our rudimentary understanding, so the ARF models come with a certain force in our hobby, due to convenience and relative ease of some people buy them .

We should consider that these people who buy them are in their Maori from outside the circles of our clubs, people who are not aimed at the hobby in its essence but in its simplicity - buy a toy to fly.

In matters of trials, I see today, judges championships scale judging the beauty of the maneuvers of the model, like models of normal acrobatics.

In other cases, consider aircraft acrobatics championship campaign as if they were jewels of scale and so are the problems. In my little opinion, not only are the types of models that will probably derail the trials, would be the possible unpreparedness of the judges on how to adapt the questions to our reality.

I have nothing against seeing the models P51, P47, acrobatics and others, flying in the championships or promotional basis, but I can not accept is that one type of these ARFs even get a score for its detailing or painting that has not been executed directly by the manufacturer without industrial devices, such decals, logos, etc ...

Would require that the detailed model has been handmade by a competitor that could be seen as score, because if so, with the improvement of industrialization and of the ways we will see more and more toys than flying models really made by people with I enjoy the hobby.

I hope that was clear in my propositions.